|  fireforchrist | May 9, 2007 3:31pm | You do not have to rely on the number of generations and their length to get from Abraham to the present date.
Abraham born ...........................................2008c
Abraham enters Canaan...................................2083c
Exactly 430 years to the day Exodus.....................2513c
(Ge 12:10, Ex 12:40, Gal 3:17)
to the start of the temple 479 years....................2992c
(1 Ki 6:1)
to the division of the kingdom 37 years.................3029c
(1 kings 11:42)
To final deportation 4 years after Jerusalem fell.......3421c
390 years and a part of a year(Eze 4:4-6) =584 BC
Date for Creation 584 + 3421 - 1 = 4004 BC
The earth is 4004 + 2007 - 1= 6010 years old (from creation of Adam)
Eat~ "1946 years + 1300 years + 2007 years = 5253 years = age of humanity according to the Bible"
My dates 2008 + 1995 + 2007 = 6010
I think it is safe to say that the Bible gives a date of approximately 6000 years for humanity. |
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Sponsor |  Kanookie | May 10, 2007 4:24am | | Ah... roughly 4.5 billion years. |
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Sponsor | | Ewtn2000 | May 10, 2007 6:06am | | Again, humanity is man with a soul, not humaniods without. |
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| | fireforchrist | May 10, 2007 6:36am | | Ewtn2000 ~ How do you reconcile the bible and science(Mans Knowledge)? |
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Sponsor | | Ewtn2000 | May 10, 2007 7:10am | | what needs to be reconciled? Science is a gift from God to man, how does it conflict with God? |
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| | fireforchrist | May 10, 2007 8:08am | | How do you fit the geological ages into the Bible? |
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|  eat | May 10, 2007 8:30am | 263: "Again, humanity is man with a soul, not humaniods without."
Are you implying that homo sapiens are not modern man? I thought this had been clarified. Modern man, which is defined by science as homo sapiens and by the Bible as having a soul, emerged 70,000 years ago. The ages at which each father had a son have been explicitly laid out and added to arrive at an age for humanity in posts 254 and 255, viewable here: apologetics.group.stumbleupon.com/forum/59383/253/ [apologetics.group.stumbleupon.com/forum/59383/253/]. If you have a problem with the math, then please do more than say "it may possibly be wrong" and identify the error.
Please say whether you agree with the following statement, and, if not, your reasons (preferably not ones that have been addressed in previous posts): anyone who believes that Genesis is the word of God must believe that humanity is tens of thousands of years younger than it actually is. |
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Sponsor | | Ewtn2000 | May 10, 2007 8:44am | Again, is the Bible telling us all about how each species was created? Is it telling us which animals where created or does it just say animals? Genesis is telling us when "Man" was created. I define man as the creation of God with an internal soul. Genesis does not say whether they were the first homo sapiens period or if they where the first homo sapiens with something new, a soul.
When you take a calculus class, you have a text book that is authoritive in that subject. But inorder to make that classe fessable, that book and course doesn't give you a full history of how man created numbers. How the counting system came to be, etc. But we take the course and text as authoritive on the subject. This is true with the Bible. It talks in brief about God and His creation. We aren't told the exact means in which God created us. His thoughts, His movements, His... what ever He did to create us, that would distract from the true meaning and learn of calculus. Well, of the reason for Scripture, a brief, and the operative word here is bried, history of Man and his fall and the extent God has gone to save him; Jesus.
So it can be said that the definition of science of "man" is different to what God's definition of "Man". Christianity to "Man" as one who is both body and soul. I don't think that there is a conflict with what Genesis says and what science says about the earth being old. We don't know exactly what was talked about when the author wrote it. The author through his experience wrote what he understood the word of God to mean. We don't know if the 'Neanderthal man' was an animal or human or if the first homo-sapiens were animals or humans or something. We do know the first "Man", meaning body and soul, was created by God. That is what we are called to believe and understand. We are also not told by the scriptures that Adam was 6 ft. tall and looked like Tarzan or what us of today with his own PDA and cell phone.
Geologically is see no problem. Well unless you take it as 24-hour days. Which I don't. How do you see it fit "fireforchrist"?
#267 I am saying that we don't know. Science calls all homo sapiens modern man, God calls Homo spapiens with souls "Man". You again presume falsely. I know science has said that homo sapiens walked 70k+ years ago, I don't see were the bible says that. Scripture just tells us that the creation of God, with a soul, was created and it came from the homo sapien species.
"anyone who believes that Genesis is the word of God must believe that humanity is tens of thousands of years younger than it actually is."
False... I see no where that the Bible says we must, nor tradition, nor the early Church Fathers. What we must believe is the creation of a new mammal that has a soul. You can't tell me when that happened. God does. Your definition of humanity is vague and may includes those without souls.
I must attend a conference this afternoon, but I hope to continue tomorrow with this... God bless u all. |
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| | eat | May 10, 2007 9:05am | What time do you think you'll be back? I find it better to have these sorts of conversations in a more real-time format, where each person is actively writing. I'll leave my next post below for whenever you're back:
Do you agree with the following statement?: Adam, from whom all modern men with souls are descended, emerged no more than about 6000 years ago. The figure of about 6000 years follows from calculations that have been illustrated in posts 254 and 255, viewable here: apologetics.group.stumbleupon.com/forum/59383/253/ [apologetics.group.stumbleupon.com/forum/59383/253/]. If you disagree with the statement in question, then please identify the error in the math used to calculate the approximate date that Adam emerged, or explain how using those genealogies to get such a date is flawed.
Please address the previous sentence before addressing the proceeding statements. 1) Archaeological evidence shows that there were societies of people (e.g. Africans, Caucasians, East Asians, American Indians) scattered throughout the world before 6000 years ago. Because there are societies of people that have not interbred with Adam's offspring, then 2) not all people are descended from Adam.
In light of statements 1) and 2), it follows that because not all people are descended from Adam, then there are people that do not have souls. |
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