Sponsor |  Ewtn2000 | Feb 11, 9:18pm | Ok Mr. "I made a choice but I don't want anyone to know that I did", Let's get back to the issue at hand. Miracles, is that all that it would take. Ramses you ask for so little from the Creator Himself.
First back to #43, I think it is the one who doesn't believe in the creation of God, that has the "Turtle all the way down" look at what created matter. |
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|  JRyanStevens | Feb 11, 11:47pm | 51. I think you misunderstood me again. I didn't say I require miracles (in fact I explicitly stated the contrary); I require much less than that. Just something objective.
And on what basis do you mock me? I'm sure it's all in good fun, but I fail to see that I could've misrepresented myself to such a degree. "I made a choice but I don't want anyone to know that I did??" How does that describe me at all? I don't care who knows what I believe. I'm here sharing it...
All I've said was that if something isn't convincing to you, you didn't choose for it to be unconvincing. What does that have to do with not wanting people to know something about me? |
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| | fireforchrist | Feb 12, 5:52am | 51 ~ You seem to lack love/care and I do not think I am the first one to notice.
To all ~ This might be of interest to some here.
leestrobel.com/videoserver/video.php [leestrobel.com/videoserver/video.php]
This chapter from the excellent book a ready defense by Josh McDowell might also be of interest. greatcom.org/resources/areadydefense/ch20/default.htm [greatcom.org/resources/areadydefense/ch20/default.htm]
I would like to bring up my favorite evidence there is strong evidence for the fact that these early Christians especially the ones who claimed to have seen Jesus alive from the dead did in fact die without recanting on this claim.
from the book above --
"Had there been visible benefits accruing to them from their efforts such as prestige, wealth or increased social status-we might logically account for their actions. As a reward, however, for their wholehearted and total allegiance to this "risen Christ," these early Christians were beaten, stoned to death, thrown to the lions, tortured, crucified and subjected to every conceivable method of stopping them from talking. Yet they were the most peaceful of men, who physically forced their beliefs on no one. Rather they laid down their very lives as the ultimate proof of their complete confidence in the truth of their message.
His Cowardly Followers
What about the fearful disciples of Jesus? When the authorities captured Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, "all the disciples left Him and fled" (Matthew 26:56; Mark 14:50). During Christ's trial, Peter went out and denied Him three times (John 18:15-27; Mark 14:66-72). After Christ was crucified, the fearful disciples hid themselves in an upper room and locked the doors (John 20:19). But something happened within days to totally change this group of cowardly followers into a bold band of enthusiasts who faced martyrdom without fear or hesitation. Peter, who had denied Jesus, was imprisoned for his persistency in preaching a "risen Christ" and later was himself crucified upside down.
What happened? The most logical explanation is that the resurrected Jesus "appeared to Cephas [Peter] ... then to all the Apostles" (1 Corinthians 15:5-7)."
If possible get this book --
amazon.com/Walked-Among-Evidence-Historical-Jesus/dp/0840742770 [amazon.com/Walked-Among-Evidence-Historical-Jesus/dp/0840742770] |
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Sponsor | | Ewtn2000 | Feb 12, 9:13pm | Jr, I jest in fun just like you jest on your previous post(47 & 50)with others, but I guess that's only a one way street. Meanwhile back at the ranch...
51 That is probably what it seems like due to the fact that sometimes that is what I feel. I am only human, and with the Lords help I will change. |
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| | JRyanStevens | Feb 12, 11:14pm | 54. It's certainly not a one way street. I thought it might be a joke, but couldn't be sure because it wasn't that funny. Haha!
No harm done. I just thought it was worth addressing (in case it wasn't a joke). Let's move on. |
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| | fireforchrist | Feb 26, 7:55pm | 54~ I would be hypocritical if I did not admit that I also am guilty at times of the same thing so do not feel judged, who am I to judge?
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more info~ youtube.com/watch [youtube.com/watch]
a good lecture on the subject |
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